How People Become Things

How People Become Things explores the relationship between people and the work they do. In each episode,, we meet someone — or sometimes some two — who share the story of how they came to do the work they do and what they think about that choice now. We discuss the ways in which the work they do works for them, how they knew that they’d made the right choice, and what kind of person they think would be a good fit for the job they have.
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May 16, 2016
What CAN You Do With an Edutainer, Dan n' Jaye?




You wake up one morning and think to yourself: "know what? I'm gonna buy a boat and live on it and sail it around to some cool places and meet some awesome people."

And so you go to the boat store and buy a boat and move onto it.

Later, when you decide you want to add some doubloons to the ol' treasure chest, you find work on --wait for it -- another boat.

Sound familiar? No?

Well, it would if you were like Dan and Jaye, who live aboard S/V Cinderella and work on El Galeon. 


So, ready for some adventure? Then look lively, we're about to shove off!


Read Dan N Jaye's blog, Life Afloat, here.

May 9, 2016
Episode 3: Wayfinding and Bridge Crossing  with Lisa Noel Seiwert

My guest this week provides further confirmation of my hunch that in the best of circumstances we do what we do and we arrange a way to get paid for it. This could prove useful to those of us who have several jobs under our career belts. This could be reliable career advice. Connect the dots, find the theme or themes in the jobs you've had. Given any latitude at all, what parts of it do you tack toward? What parts do you put off?

Lisa's job is interesting: equal parts people and statistics oriented. She's very candid about the parts she likes best; they're the things she's done over and over in every position she's held. While interacting with people in vastly different periods -- and sometimes moments -- of their lives, she serves a very consistent function. And, if you listen very closely, you'll probably be able to discern why what she does is a profound reflection of who she is at her core. 

...or maybe she just tells us flat out. 

Lisa works at Chicago Theological Seminary

May 2, 2016
Episode 2: Judy Bridges is Reading, Writing and Screaming

I've been pondering the nature/nurture debate this week. How much of who we become is pre-destined by our DNA and how much of it is determined by the paths we take, the choices we make, the thirsts we slake, the cakes we bake, the leaves we rake, the earths we quake...oops, sorry, got carried away there. 

It's a funny question because we don't apply it to every profession. We don't wonder if zookeepers, bartenders, or middle managers are "born" or "made", but artists, yes. On the other hand, we don't marvel at the genius of zookeepers, bartenders, and middle managers. (Well, maybe bartenders...)

Was Judy "born" or "made"? Hard to say, but she's got a lifetime of stories -- hers and 6000 other people's and she's convinced more than a few to "Shut Up and Write" them down. More's the better for the rest of us. 

Learn more about Judy's Redbird Studio here:

Information about the spinoff project, Red Oak Writing can be found here:

Judy's book, "Shut Up and Write" is available from her website or from